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	<title>Comments on: Democracy and Decision: The Pure Theory of Electoral Preference</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Linksvayer &#187; Iraq withdrawal and civilian casualties</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2005/11/25/democracy-decision/#comment-54508</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Linksvayer &#187; Iraq withdrawal and civilian casualties</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 00:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It should not have been difficult to predict that invasion would turn out badly, but politicians make the same mistakes (less charitably&#8211;tell the same lies) repeatedly, in particular when it comes to war (one reason why). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It should not have been difficult to predict that invasion would turn out badly, but politicians make the same mistakes (less charitably&#8211;tell the same lies) repeatedly, in particular when it comes to war (one reason why). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Linksvayer &#187; Long tail of (electoral) politics</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2005/11/25/democracy-decision/#comment-31422</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Linksvayer &#187; Long tail of (electoral) politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 00:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wouldn&#8217;t expect it to. At a minimum you need something like approval voting or at the extreme delegable proxy voting. I&#8217;ve always found such reforms curious but distracting, as I don&#8217;t know what their impact on policy outcomes would be, and I suspect they&#8217;d be small. However given that voters are not outcome oriented I wonder if being able to make a closer to their ideal expression when oting would make voters happier, at least for time they are in the voting booth. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I wouldn&#8217;t expect it to. At a minimum you need something like approval voting or at the extreme delegable proxy voting. I&#8217;ve always found such reforms curious but distracting, as I don&#8217;t know what their impact on policy outcomes would be, and I suspect they&#8217;d be small. However given that voters are not outcome oriented I wonder if being able to make a closer to their ideal expression when oting would make voters happier, at least for time they are in the voting booth. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Linksvayer</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2005/11/25/democracy-decision/#comment-3514</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Linksvayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How annoying. The article is worst case available in Google's &lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ciaonet.org%2Folj%2Fcr%2Fcr_99mad01.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;cache&lt;/a&gt;. I don't understand the host's access control. I'll be sure to not link to them again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How annoying. The article is worst case available in Google&#8217;s <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ciaonet.org%2Folj%2Fcr%2Fcr_99mad01.html" rel="nofollow">cache</a>. I don&#8217;t understand the host&#8217;s access control. I&#8217;ll be sure to not link to them again.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Allen</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2005/11/25/democracy-decision/#comment-3513</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info -- I've been investigating more. BTW, eve the table of contents appears to be password protected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info &#8212; I&#8217;ve been investigating more. BTW, eve the table of contents appears to be password protected.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Linksvayer</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2005/11/25/democracy-decision/#comment-3512</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Linksvayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I changed the link to a new wikipedia article on &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_rationality" rel="nofollow"&gt;instrumental rationality&lt;/a&gt;.

The &lt;a href="http://www.ciaonet.org/olj/cr/cr_99mad01.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;old link&lt;/a&gt; appears to be password protected when the referrer is not Google or another page on the same site.  You can get to the article via a &lt;a href="http://www.ciaonet.org/olj/cr/cr_win99.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;table of contents&lt;/a&gt;, see 'The Limits of Instrumental Rationality in Social Explanation' by Doug Mann.

Anyway the simple distinction between instrumental returns and expressive returns is that the former are obtained by achieving one's ends (usually in a narrow sense, i.e., financial gain or pleasure) while the latter are obtained by engaging in some kind of expression, which in the case of voting is clearly decoupled from the outcome of the overall vote, as the individual voter is never decisive.

An example of the distinction would be voting for a transfer program because you expect to be a recipient of the transfer (instrumental) versus voting for a transfer program because doing so expresses that you care (expressive).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I changed the link to a new wikipedia article on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_rationality" rel="nofollow">instrumental rationality</a>.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.ciaonet.org/olj/cr/cr_99mad01.html" rel="nofollow">old link</a> appears to be password protected when the referrer is not Google or another page on the same site.  You can get to the article via a <a href="http://www.ciaonet.org/olj/cr/cr_win99.html" rel="nofollow">table of contents</a>, see &#8216;The Limits of Instrumental Rationality in Social Explanation&#8217; by Doug Mann.</p>
<p>Anyway the simple distinction between instrumental returns and expressive returns is that the former are obtained by achieving one&#8217;s ends (usually in a narrow sense, i.e., financial gain or pleasure) while the latter are obtained by engaging in some kind of expression, which in the case of voting is clearly decoupled from the outcome of the overall vote, as the individual voter is never decisive.</p>
<p>An example of the distinction would be voting for a transfer program because you expect to be a recipient of the transfer (instrumental) versus voting for a transfer program because doing so expresses that you care (expressive).</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Allen</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2005/11/25/democracy-decision/#comment-3511</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your link to "instrumental" in your first paragraph seems to go to a password protected site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your link to &#8220;instrumental&#8221; in your first paragraph seems to go to a password protected site.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Allen</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2005/11/25/democracy-decision/#comment-3510</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure that I understand what exactly is the difference between expressive and instrumental interests? Is there a better example anywhere?

I'm interested because I'm writing an article on 'comparison systems' which discusses the differences between representational voting, decision voting, polling, ranking, and rating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that I understand what exactly is the difference between expressive and instrumental interests? Is there a better example anywhere?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested because I&#8217;m writing an article on &#8216;comparison systems&#8217; which discusses the differences between representational voting, decision voting, polling, ranking, and rating.</p>
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