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		<title>By: Molly McCrea</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2006/11/01/disgusting/#comment-96445</link>
		<dc:creator>Molly McCrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike: 
Please contact me- - new report out of harvard, cornell that sheds light on CR and how diet may help protect cells from diseases of aging.
We're going to reprise story we did in 2002
Molly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike:<br />
Please contact me- - new report out of harvard, cornell that sheds light on CR and how diet may help protect cells from diseases of aging.<br />
We&#8217;re going to reprise story we did in 2002<br />
Molly</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Linksvayer</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2006/11/01/disgusting/#comment-63955</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Linksvayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read up on Hoppe's argument. Disingenous at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read up on Hoppe&#8217;s argument. Disingenous at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen De Coster</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2006/11/01/disgusting/#comment-63092</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen De Coster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 04:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha -- "immigration restrictions = apartheid."  Good thing we vetted out the hyperbole. Mike, note there have been plenty of awful, statist immigration views on LRC (Steve Greenhut, etc), however, Hoppe's stance is entirely private-property based. You need to read up on this, as I am sure you haven't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha &#8212; &#8220;immigration restrictions = apartheid.&#8221;  Good thing we vetted out the hyperbole. Mike, note there have been plenty of awful, statist immigration views on LRC (Steve Greenhut, etc), however, Hoppe&#8217;s stance is entirely private-property based. You need to read up on this, as I am sure you haven&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Linksvayer</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2006/11/01/disgusting/#comment-61276</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Linksvayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaurav, yes, billions of people are pro-apartheid, they're wrong, and I condemn them.

I encourage you to read my &lt;a href="http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/category/apartheid/" rel="nofollow"&gt;immigration restrictions as apartheid archives&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaurav, yes, billions of people are pro-apartheid, they&#8217;re wrong, and I condemn them.</p>
<p>I encourage you to read my <a href="http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/category/apartheid/" rel="nofollow">immigration restrictions as apartheid archives</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaurav Ahuja</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2006/11/01/disgusting/#comment-61275</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaurav Ahuja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note the a? Where is a pro-apartheid article from lrc? Also. if immigration restriction is pro-apartheid, than billions of people are probably are pro-apartheid. By this logic you are condemning huge amounts of people who believe in immigration restriction as legimiate either in the temporary as libertarians like myself and Hoppe do(until we get to anarchocapitalism or an ideal minarchist state) or permanent. Using pro-apartheid in this sense does not make sense unless you just mean that someone is for immigration restriction of any kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note the a? Where is a pro-apartheid article from lrc? Also. if immigration restriction is pro-apartheid, than billions of people are probably are pro-apartheid. By this logic you are condemning huge amounts of people who believe in immigration restriction as legimiate either in the temporary as libertarians like myself and Hoppe do(until we get to anarchocapitalism or an ideal minarchist state) or permanent. Using pro-apartheid in this sense does not make sense unless you just mean that someone is for immigration restriction of any kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Linksvayer</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2006/11/01/disgusting/#comment-61183</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Linksvayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen De Coster,

Congratulations on your good health, may it continue for a long time.

Engergy requirements vary tremendously across individuals, but for an average western male, 2000 calories is moderately restricted. I believe moe extreme males on CR, like &lt;a href="http://nymag.com/news/features/23169/" rel="nofollow"&gt;these&lt;/a&gt; are at about 1800 and I've seen estimates of around 2800-300 for the average U.S. male. Females consume about 50 percent less all around.

Regarding a couple things from your &lt;a href="http://www.karendecoster.com/blog/archives/002269.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;followup post&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;So they destroy and emaciate their bodies for 30-40 years so that they may have the chance to live a few years longer with arthritis, wearing diapers, and everything else that extreme old age brings.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Not at all. Whether CR extends maximum lifespan in humans is uncertain, but it almost certainly delays risk of disease and disability associated with aging. Even if CR people don't live longer I expect them to live longer in good health.

&lt;blockquote&gt;My view is that you take as much of the wheel as you can and steer things in the right direction. Somewhere, there's a really happy medium between obese and emaciated.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Some are willing to steer harder than others.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Unfortunately, Linksvayer did not link to the "pro-apartheid" article he claims are standard fare for LewRockwell.com. Thus we assume he's slinging rhetoric and making false charges. But he also hates Hoppe.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Note the lack of a capital A.  I'm referring to Hoppe and others' braindead arguments for government control of immigration, which I see as the &lt;a href="http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2005/04/26/manifesto-for-the-abolition-of-international-apartheid/" rel="nofollow"&gt;moral equivalent&lt;/a&gt; of capital-A South African Apartheid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen De Coster,</p>
<p>Congratulations on your good health, may it continue for a long time.</p>
<p>Engergy requirements vary tremendously across individuals, but for an average western male, 2000 calories is moderately restricted. I believe moe extreme males on CR, like <a href="http://nymag.com/news/features/23169/" rel="nofollow">these</a> are at about 1800 and I&#8217;ve seen estimates of around 2800-300 for the average U.S. male. Females consume about 50 percent less all around.</p>
<p>Regarding a couple things from your <a href="http://www.karendecoster.com/blog/archives/002269.html" rel="nofollow">followup post</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>So they destroy and emaciate their bodies for 30-40 years so that they may have the chance to live a few years longer with arthritis, wearing diapers, and everything else that extreme old age brings.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not at all. Whether CR extends maximum lifespan in humans is uncertain, but it almost certainly delays risk of disease and disability associated with aging. Even if CR people don&#8217;t live longer I expect them to live longer in good health.</p>
<blockquote><p>My view is that you take as much of the wheel as you can and steer things in the right direction. Somewhere, there&#8217;s a really happy medium between obese and emaciated.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some are willing to steer harder than others.</p>
<blockquote><p>Unfortunately, Linksvayer did not link to the &#8220;pro-apartheid&#8221; article he claims are standard fare for LewRockwell.com. Thus we assume he&#8217;s slinging rhetoric and making false charges. But he also hates Hoppe.</p></blockquote>
<p>Note the lack of a capital A.  I&#8217;m referring to Hoppe and others&#8217; braindead arguments for government control of immigration, which I see as the <a href="http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2005/04/26/manifesto-for-the-abolition-of-international-apartheid/" rel="nofollow">moral equivalent</a> of capital-A South African Apartheid.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen De Coster</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2006/11/01/disgusting/#comment-61043</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen De Coster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It seemed that most of those angered by the story were being very defensive, asserting there intention to run right out and get them some burgers or ribs or whatever else."

Sean and Mr. Linksvayer -  you people are just plain nuts. God help that we criticize starvation and emaciation. Try education as opposed to "negativity" as the reason for the season. Dare I shred Mr. Sean's glorious theory of fast food glory?

At 5' 3" and 115 lbs., I am a natural, lightweight bodybuilder. I don't eat fast food, and surely, rarely do I eat ribs. What I do, however, is eat 5-7 times per day, and I eat food that most people consider non-glorious. I eat to be strong and healthy and energetic - my number one goal in life. I deadlift 255 lbs and squat about the same. I do 500+ lbs on the 45-degree leg press. I wear pants in the size 2-3 range. But I am not emaciated - I am muscular and lean. I have also spent 20 years as a cyclist (road cycling and mountain biking), and I can sprint a 100, 200, or 400 faster than I did in high school 25 years ago. People take me for 10-12 years younger than I am. I enjoy this. 

Thus I do not run out for ribs and big macs, as you would hope. This is why I have a leg to stand on in my criticism of the lifestyle that you promote. I am also a freelance writer who writes for clients in the health, food, and nutrition industry. So I have done my research and I know my stuff.

You emaciated nutballs do not have a clue. If....if some definitive voice were to come down and tell me that I would - without a doubt - live 5-10 years longer if I looked like you, Mike, and led my life like you, I'd say "no deal." I deem that to be healthy and strong is indeed the happiest thing going. I'd be afraid to shake your hand because I'd break your arm in 3 spots. You are not a man who eats 2,000+ calories/day. And you are not promoting a longer, healthier life via severe calorie restriction. (2,000 calories is not "restriction," by the way.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It seemed that most of those angered by the story were being very defensive, asserting there intention to run right out and get them some burgers or ribs or whatever else.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sean and Mr. Linksvayer -  you people are just plain nuts. God help that we criticize starvation and emaciation. Try education as opposed to &#8220;negativity&#8221; as the reason for the season. Dare I shred Mr. Sean&#8217;s glorious theory of fast food glory?</p>
<p>At 5&#8242; 3&#8243; and 115 lbs., I am a natural, lightweight bodybuilder. I don&#8217;t eat fast food, and surely, rarely do I eat ribs. What I do, however, is eat 5-7 times per day, and I eat food that most people consider non-glorious. I eat to be strong and healthy and energetic - my number one goal in life. I deadlift 255 lbs and squat about the same. I do 500+ lbs on the 45-degree leg press. I wear pants in the size 2-3 range. But I am not emaciated - I am muscular and lean. I have also spent 20 years as a cyclist (road cycling and mountain biking), and I can sprint a 100, 200, or 400 faster than I did in high school 25 years ago. People take me for 10-12 years younger than I am. I enjoy this. </p>
<p>Thus I do not run out for ribs and big macs, as you would hope. This is why I have a leg to stand on in my criticism of the lifestyle that you promote. I am also a freelance writer who writes for clients in the health, food, and nutrition industry. So I have done my research and I know my stuff.</p>
<p>You emaciated nutballs do not have a clue. If&#8230;.if some definitive voice were to come down and tell me that I would - without a doubt - live 5-10 years longer if I looked like you, Mike, and led my life like you, I&#8217;d say &#8220;no deal.&#8221; I deem that to be healthy and strong is indeed the happiest thing going. I&#8217;d be afraid to shake your hand because I&#8217;d break your arm in 3 spots. You are not a man who eats 2,000+ calories/day. And you are not promoting a longer, healthier life via severe calorie restriction. (2,000 calories is not &#8220;restriction,&#8221; by the way.)</p>
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		<title>By: April</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2006/11/01/disgusting/#comment-47308</link>
		<dc:creator>April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike...

The stupid crap on the blogosphere is just that.  I got a ton of it after our NY Mag article.  I think it shows how emotionally invested people are in their rationalizations for inability to control food intake. 

We love you!  Thanks for doing so much to get the word out.  Those who are genuinely interested are finding their way to more information.  Those who aren't... well, they'll be dead sooner rather than later.  

love, april</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike&#8230;</p>
<p>The stupid crap on the blogosphere is just that.  I got a ton of it after our NY Mag article.  I think it shows how emotionally invested people are in their rationalizations for inability to control food intake. </p>
<p>We love you!  Thanks for doing so much to get the word out.  Those who are genuinely interested are finding their way to more information.  Those who aren&#8217;t&#8230; well, they&#8217;ll be dead sooner rather than later.  </p>
<p>love, april</p>
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		<title>By: Ryu</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2006/11/01/disgusting/#comment-46405</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 03:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't have any negative feeling when I saw your picture in the NY times. I only thought that you were probably European, not American. 

After reading the negative comments, they reminded me of the kind of stereotypical comments that vegetarians often get.  I am a vegetarian (not a vegan). I am still not sure why eating "uncommon" meals provokes so much negative reactions.

What was most intrriguing to me about your example meal was the breakfast natto with garlic. I am a Japanese male and I know that not all Japanese like natto, perhaps because of the smell and the consistency. When I was a kid, I used to run away from the dinning table if any of my family members decide to eat natto (now I like it though). I haven't personally met any American who likes natto. I have never seen any Japanese eating natto with garlic; they usually eat it with sliced scallions, but hey, that looks good. I'll try it with garlic sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t have any negative feeling when I saw your picture in the NY times. I only thought that you were probably European, not American. </p>
<p>After reading the negative comments, they reminded me of the kind of stereotypical comments that vegetarians often get.  I am a vegetarian (not a vegan). I am still not sure why eating &#8220;uncommon&#8221; meals provokes so much negative reactions.</p>
<p>What was most intrriguing to me about your example meal was the breakfast natto with garlic. I am a Japanese male and I know that not all Japanese like natto, perhaps because of the smell and the consistency. When I was a kid, I used to run away from the dinning table if any of my family members decide to eat natto (now I like it though). I haven&#8217;t personally met any American who likes natto. I have never seen any Japanese eating natto with garlic; they usually eat it with sliced scallions, but hey, that looks good. I&#8217;ll try it with garlic sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2006/11/01/disgusting/#comment-45846</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 01:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three cheers for the disgusting Mr. Linksvayer.

I suspect most of the negative feelings flying around are generated through projection. I read through the responses to the bit on 'Reason' and the one that stood out for me was the guy who looked at your photo and saw a smug expression: projection, I thought. What is a libertarian if not smug, "I can fend for myself, thank you very much."

It seemed that most of those angered by the story were being very defensive, asserting there intention to run right out and get them some burgers or ribs or whatever else. This is common in my experience (i'm a lazy vegan myself.) People think that choices I make for myself are an assault on their choices (or lack there of.) While yes I do care what you do, no i do not intend to make you do otherwise (or even call you names [to your face.])

So, it's quite clear that you are secure in your choices and convictions and do not need my (a complete stranger's) endorsement. Take care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three cheers for the disgusting Mr. Linksvayer.</p>
<p>I suspect most of the negative feelings flying around are generated through projection. I read through the responses to the bit on &#8216;Reason&#8217; and the one that stood out for me was the guy who looked at your photo and saw a smug expression: projection, I thought. What is a libertarian if not smug, &#8220;I can fend for myself, thank you very much.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seemed that most of those angered by the story were being very defensive, asserting there intention to run right out and get them some burgers or ribs or whatever else. This is common in my experience (i&#8217;m a lazy vegan myself.) People think that choices I make for myself are an assault on their choices (or lack there of.) While yes I do care what you do, no i do not intend to make you do otherwise (or even call you names [to your face.])</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s quite clear that you are secure in your choices and convictions and do not need my (a complete stranger&#8217;s) endorsement. Take care.</p>
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