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		<title>By: Decision Markets and Futarchy are solutions in desperate search for a problem to solve and for their early adopters&#8230; and that may stay that way well after Robin Hanson&#8217;s head gets cryogenized. &#124; Midas Oracle .ORG</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2007/04/16/invention-innovation/#comment-98687</link>
		<dc:creator>Decision Markets and Futarchy are solutions in desperate search for a problem to solve and for their early adopters&#8230; and that may stay that way well after Robin Hanson&#8217;s head gets cryogenized. &#124; Midas Oracle .ORG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] inventors seldom make great innovators. Innovators borrow ideas from inventors and apply them in ways that inventors never envisioned. In [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] inventors seldom make great innovators. Innovators borrow ideas from inventors and apply them in ways that inventors never envisioned. In [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Predictor Accuracy: the Hedgehog vs. the Fox &#124; Midas Oracle .ORG</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2007/04/16/invention-innovation/#comment-96532</link>
		<dc:creator>Predictor Accuracy: the Hedgehog vs. the Fox &#124; Midas Oracle .ORG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The answer to this dilemma is, of course, &#8230; and if Mike Linksvayer is reading this blog post, he&#8217;ll have already divined where I want to lead my readers with all this &#8230; the answer is, of course, innovation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The answer to this dilemma is, of course, &#8230; and if Mike Linksvayer is reading this blog post, he&#8217;ll have already divined where I want to lead my readers with all this &#8230; the answer is, of course, innovation. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Midas Oracle .ORG &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Innovation happens when these new things are delivered to the marketplace for the benefit of consumers/society.</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2007/04/16/invention-innovation/#comment-96133</link>
		<dc:creator>Midas Oracle .ORG &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Innovation happens when these new things are delivered to the marketplace for the benefit of consumers/society.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For more on the &#8220;Invention vs. Innovation&#8221; debate, see this April 2007 blog post from Mi.... One way of putting it is that six billion people generate a huge number of ideas, some number of which could be called inventions. Most are hopeless (the inventions; the people at least manage to survive for a time). Most of the rest are not actively pursued. The only way to test whether an invention is hopeless or useful is to attempt to deliver it at scale. So innovators (think of them as idea entrepreneurs, or whatever) both figure out which inventions are not hopeless and deliver the useful ones at scale. Innovators create all of the surplus, inventors do little more than breathe. Read the last blog posts by Chris. F. Masse:US Vice-President Dick Cheney consulted for the publisher of the Harry Potter book.News we don't really care about.Inkling Markets' growth and successThe Max Keiser Bombastic Statement Of The Day.Harry Potter will survive The Deathly Hallows.Chris Masse is bull-shitting. On the paper, NewsFutures is OBVIOUSLY the market leader.Save the URL of this Midas Oracle blog post with: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For more on the &#8220;Invention vs. Innovation&#8221; debate, see this April 2007 blog post from Mi&#8230;. One way of putting it is that six billion people generate a huge number of ideas, some number of which could be called inventions. Most are hopeless (the inventions; the people at least manage to survive for a time). Most of the rest are not actively pursued. The only way to test whether an invention is hopeless or useful is to attempt to deliver it at scale. So innovators (think of them as idea entrepreneurs, or whatever) both figure out which inventions are not hopeless and deliver the useful ones at scale. Innovators create all of the surplus, inventors do little more than breathe. Read the last blog posts by Chris. F. Masse:US Vice-President Dick Cheney consulted for the publisher of the Harry Potter book.News we don&#8217;t really care about.Inkling Markets&#8217; growth and successThe Max Keiser Bombastic Statement Of The Day.Harry Potter will survive The Deathly Hallows.Chris Masse is bull-shitting. On the paper, NewsFutures is OBVIOUSLY the market leader.Save the URL of this Midas Oracle blog post with: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Midas Oracle .ORG &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower.</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2007/04/16/invention-innovation/#comment-95669</link>
		<dc:creator>Midas Oracle .ORG &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 16:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] comment was made on this Mike Linksvayer’s blog post. Read the last blog posts by Chris. F. Masse:Does the HedgeStreet's Human Resources Department [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Marginal Revolution: Failure and prediction markets &#171; Identity Unknown</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2007/04/16/invention-innovation/#comment-95615</link>
		<dc:creator>Marginal Revolution: Failure and prediction markets &#171; Identity Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hanson writes: I’ll take credit for creating some ideas the world has found useful, but I have completely [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Linksvayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Linksvayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gurdonark, I don't really disagree with anything in your comment. My somewhat exaggerated dismissal of inventors is to counter what I see as a general overestimate of the importance of individual ideas of mythic proportions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gurdonark, I don&#8217;t really disagree with anything in your comment. My somewhat exaggerated dismissal of inventors is to counter what I see as a general overestimate of the importance of individual ideas of mythic proportions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Linksvayer &#187; The most bizarre sentence I&#8217;ve read today</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2007/04/16/invention-innovation/#comment-95611</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Linksvayer &#187; The most bizarre sentence I&#8217;ve read today</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cowen just linked to a comment left by Robin Hanson on this blog. I agree with Cowen&#8217;s comment left on the same post here: &#8220;Robin is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: gurdonark</title>
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		<dc:creator>gurdonark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am much less concerned with how you define your terms than with the points you make. Discussions of creativity are like discussions of theology--one has to begin by ensuring that all the players are using the same terms for the same concepts. Your post adequately explains how you are using "invention" and "innovation".

I'd rather move past all the terms definitions, useful and perhaps essential though they are, and focus on this clause:

"So innovators (think of them as idea entrepreneurs, or whatever) both figure out which inventions are not hopeless and deliver the useful ones at scale. Innovators create all of the surplus, inventors do little more than breathe". 

I think that "idea generators" and "pure theoreticians" and "idea retailers" (to alter your formulations with other analogous terms) all serve important functions. But "innovators" (who might also be called "project engineers", "production mappers" or even "quilters") who carry the ideas into 
play are essential. Also, "resource determiners" are critical, leaders, whether in corporate America, academia, Main Street small business, or government, who allocate which resources will be devoted to which ideas. 

I think that we are watching the test tubes rumble in the experiment to test whether the technology revolution (including the internet) has resulted in 
the ability of people with access to the capital markets, but not the dramatic structure of traditional corporate business and government, can cause sweeping change beyond electronic product design. It's far too early to tell if the technological movement stemming from the internet and successful electronic technology has given rise to a new culture of getting things done.  I personally hope (having to edit from "we all hope" to a more muted statement) that we are seeing a kind of "Can Do 2.0", when
large scale problems can be addressed by "innovators" who are able to work from relatively small platforms. Could small business, fueled with the methods of new technological innovation, solve some of the alternative fuels barriers in ways that the 1970s companies could not do? It's too early to tell.

I'm not very interested in dismissing the "idea generators", as you do, but instead in celebrating the people who, to paraphrase Beagle, "colonize dreams", but more important than the Beagle quote, who "colonize dreams and then make them fit on a desktop as fully operational usefulware".

Bringing "product to market", whether it be a fuel or a solution to poverty in Mali, that's the key. Those "market definers", to coin yet another term, interest me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am much less concerned with how you define your terms than with the points you make. Discussions of creativity are like discussions of theology&#8211;one has to begin by ensuring that all the players are using the same terms for the same concepts. Your post adequately explains how you are using &#8220;invention&#8221; and &#8220;innovation&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather move past all the terms definitions, useful and perhaps essential though they are, and focus on this clause:</p>
<p>&#8220;So innovators (think of them as idea entrepreneurs, or whatever) both figure out which inventions are not hopeless and deliver the useful ones at scale. Innovators create all of the surplus, inventors do little more than breathe&#8221;. </p>
<p>I think that &#8220;idea generators&#8221; and &#8220;pure theoreticians&#8221; and &#8220;idea retailers&#8221; (to alter your formulations with other analogous terms) all serve important functions. But &#8220;innovators&#8221; (who might also be called &#8220;project engineers&#8221;, &#8220;production mappers&#8221; or even &#8220;quilters&#8221;) who carry the ideas into<br />
play are essential. Also, &#8220;resource determiners&#8221; are critical, leaders, whether in corporate America, academia, Main Street small business, or government, who allocate which resources will be devoted to which ideas. </p>
<p>I think that we are watching the test tubes rumble in the experiment to test whether the technology revolution (including the internet) has resulted in<br />
the ability of people with access to the capital markets, but not the dramatic structure of traditional corporate business and government, can cause sweeping change beyond electronic product design. It&#8217;s far too early to tell if the technological movement stemming from the internet and successful electronic technology has given rise to a new culture of getting things done.  I personally hope (having to edit from &#8220;we all hope&#8221; to a more muted statement) that we are seeing a kind of &#8220;Can Do 2.0&#8243;, when<br />
large scale problems can be addressed by &#8220;innovators&#8221; who are able to work from relatively small platforms. Could small business, fueled with the methods of new technological innovation, solve some of the alternative fuels barriers in ways that the 1970s companies could not do? It&#8217;s too early to tell.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not very interested in dismissing the &#8220;idea generators&#8221;, as you do, but instead in celebrating the people who, to paraphrase Beagle, &#8220;colonize dreams&#8221;, but more important than the Beagle quote, who &#8220;colonize dreams and then make them fit on a desktop as fully operational usefulware&#8221;.</p>
<p>Bringing &#8220;product to market&#8221;, whether it be a fuel or a solution to poverty in Mali, that&#8217;s the key. Those &#8220;market definers&#8221;, to coin yet another term, interest me.</p>
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		<title>By: Midas Oracle .ORG &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I think Robin&#8217;s being too hard on himself.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Midas Oracle .ORG &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I think Robin&#8217;s being too hard on himself.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 06:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Masse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Masse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 05:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Neither of these words have anything to do with finding markets for the thing, nor with “at scale”."

I respectfully disagree.

An innovator is somebody who brings a new product to the market.

(I took an Innovation 101 class.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Neither of these words have anything to do with finding markets for the thing, nor with “at scale”.&#8221;</p>
<p>I respectfully disagree.</p>
<p>An innovator is somebody who brings a new product to the market.</p>
<p>(I took an Innovation 101 class.)</p>
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