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	<title>Comments on: Red Hat&#8217;s awesome desktop Linux work</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Greg DeK</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2008/04/17/rhat-desktop-linux/#comment-98753</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg DeK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Luis: "Those are perfectly good excuses for ‘we have less mindshare as a desktop distro’; they’re bad excuses for ‘we have less mindshare as a desktop contributor’, which is really the problem I was talking about."

Yes.  Completely agreed.  I can guarantee you that we will work to fix that.  That's a pure marketing problem, one that we *can* and *will* address.

Re Nicu: "I think you overestimate the value of the free Ubuntu’s CDs. Maybe also the value of codecs. There is a much bigger perception problem with Red Hat and the desktop (but is a a long argumentation, maybe after the F9 release I will take some time and write a piece about it)."

Maybe, maybe not.  Certainly the many Ubuntu successes have to do with a strong strategy that highlights "Linux for human beings" -- i.e. positioning and community-building -- but make no mistake, spending LOTS of money on physical media and taking legal risks with their codecs have been their *primary* mechanisms for taking their leading position.  And they were able to take this position largely because Red Hat very publicly abdicated their leadership in the desktop world.  Which was pretty stupid, and a lot of us said so at the time -- but what's done is done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Luis: &#8220;Those are perfectly good excuses for ‘we have less mindshare as a desktop distro’; they’re bad excuses for ‘we have less mindshare as a desktop contributor’, which is really the problem I was talking about.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.  Completely agreed.  I can guarantee you that we will work to fix that.  That&#8217;s a pure marketing problem, one that we *can* and *will* address.</p>
<p>Re Nicu: &#8220;I think you overestimate the value of the free Ubuntu’s CDs. Maybe also the value of codecs. There is a much bigger perception problem with Red Hat and the desktop (but is a a long argumentation, maybe after the F9 release I will take some time and write a piece about it).&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe, maybe not.  Certainly the many Ubuntu successes have to do with a strong strategy that highlights &#8220;Linux for human beings&#8221; &#8212; i.e. positioning and community-building &#8212; but make no mistake, spending LOTS of money on physical media and taking legal risks with their codecs have been their *primary* mechanisms for taking their leading position.  And they were able to take this position largely because Red Hat very publicly abdicated their leadership in the desktop world.  Which was pretty stupid, and a lot of us said so at the time &#8212; but what&#8217;s done is done.</p>
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		<title>By: dwmw2</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2008/04/17/rhat-desktop-linux/#comment-98734</link>
		<dc:creator>dwmw2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luis, I think 'grossly incompetent' is a bit harsh -- even for me! Certainly there are things which could have been done better, but I think OLPC has done a damn good job with the "impossible" task it took on, overall.

It's certainly true that OLPC could do with a lot more integration with the community -- and with the Fedora community in particular. But let's not downplay the amount we _have_ achieved in the last year or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luis, I think &#8216;grossly incompetent&#8217; is a bit harsh &#8212; even for me! Certainly there are things which could have been done better, but I think OLPC has done a damn good job with the &#8220;impossible&#8221; task it took on, overall.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly true that OLPC could do with a lot more integration with the community &#8212; and with the Fedora community in particular. But let&#8217;s not downplay the amount we _have_ achieved in the last year or two.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Linksvayer &#187; Table selection, HSA, LugRadio, Music, Photographers, New Media</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2008/04/17/rhat-desktop-linux/#comment-98733</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Linksvayer &#187; Table selection, HSA, LugRadio, Music, Photographers, New Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mike Linksvayer My opinions only. I do not represent any organization in this publication.      &#171; Red Hat&#8217;s awesome desktop Linux work [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mike Linksvayer My opinions only. I do not represent any organization in this publication.      &laquo; Red Hat&#8217;s awesome desktop Linux work [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nicu</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2008/04/17/rhat-desktop-linux/#comment-98729</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg: I think you overestimate the value of the free Ubuntu's CDs. Maybe also the value of codecs. There is a much bigger perception problem with Red Hat and the desktop (but is a a long argumentation, maybe after the F9 release I will take some time and write a piece about it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg: I think you overestimate the value of the free Ubuntu&#8217;s CDs. Maybe also the value of codecs. There is a much bigger perception problem with Red Hat and the desktop (but is a a long argumentation, maybe after the F9 release I will take some time and write a piece about it).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Linksvayer</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2008/04/17/rhat-desktop-linux/#comment-98728</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Linksvayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Afraid OLPC hype count triggered an allergic reaction in me long ago. My personal problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Afraid OLPC hype count triggered an allergic reaction in me long ago. My personal problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2008/04/17/rhat-desktop-linux/#comment-98727</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg: those are perfectly good excuses for 'we have less mindshare as a desktop distro'; they're bad excuses for 'we have less mindshare as a desktop contributor', which is really the problem I was talking about.

Mike: OLPC, the technology and educational philosophy, should be incredibly exciting to you, ideologically. I can understand, though, that OLPC, the organization, is grossly incompetent, and that might get in the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg: those are perfectly good excuses for &#8216;we have less mindshare as a desktop distro&#8217;; they&#8217;re bad excuses for &#8216;we have less mindshare as a desktop contributor&#8217;, which is really the problem I was talking about.</p>
<p>Mike: OLPC, the technology and educational philosophy, should be incredibly exciting to you, ideologically. I can understand, though, that OLPC, the organization, is grossly incompetent, and that might get in the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Linksvayer</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2008/04/17/rhat-desktop-linux/#comment-98722</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Linksvayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke,

I'd like to care about OLPC, but it just isn't happening for me.

Luis and Greg,

I'm sure you're both correct.

Regarding media carpetbombing, I'd be way more enthusiastic about spending an equivalent amount &lt;a href="http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2006/09/23/hardware-entrepreneurs/" rel="nofollow"&gt;working with hardware vendors to get preinstalls&lt;/a&gt;. See, I really ought to be excited about OLPC...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to care about OLPC, but it just isn&#8217;t happening for me.</p>
<p>Luis and Greg,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re both correct.</p>
<p>Regarding media carpetbombing, I&#8217;d be way more enthusiastic about spending an equivalent amount <a href="http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2006/09/23/hardware-entrepreneurs/" rel="nofollow">working with hardware vendors to get preinstalls</a>. See, I really ought to be excited about OLPC&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg DeK</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2008/04/17/rhat-desktop-linux/#comment-98721</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg DeK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there's certainly plenty of fail to go around, and one of our big focuses over the next few months will be to emphasize Red Hat's amazingly awesome contributions -- but there are a few obvious and intractable problems:

1. Red Hat cannot, for legal reasons, add the single most obvious differentiator: multimedia support.  Canonical can.

2. Red Hat will not, for financial reasons, carpetbomb the planet with Fedora media.  Canonical must, because it's their core business strategy.

It's a hard problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there&#8217;s certainly plenty of fail to go around, and one of our big focuses over the next few months will be to emphasize Red Hat&#8217;s amazingly awesome contributions &#8212; but there are a few obvious and intractable problems:</p>
<p>1. Red Hat cannot, for legal reasons, add the single most obvious differentiator: multimedia support.  Canonical can.</p>
<p>2. Red Hat will not, for financial reasons, carpetbomb the planet with Fedora media.  Canonical must, because it&#8217;s their core business strategy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a hard problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2008/04/17/rhat-desktop-linux/#comment-98720</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post could equally be titled 'Red Hat's epic fail in community marketing.' Almost all of those lines have full-time employees attached to them who do little or nothing besides 'work that benefits the desktop', and yet people somehow think that Ubuntu cares more about the desktop, and often think that Red Hat doesn't care about the desktop at all. It is really spectacular how much money they spend and how little good PR they get out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post could equally be titled &#8216;Red Hat&#8217;s epic fail in community marketing.&#8217; Almost all of those lines have full-time employees attached to them who do little or nothing besides &#8216;work that benefits the desktop&#8217;, and yet people somehow think that Ubuntu cares more about the desktop, and often think that Red Hat doesn&#8217;t care about the desktop at all. It is really spectacular how much money they spend and how little good PR they get out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2008/04/17/rhat-desktop-linux/#comment-98715</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't forget OLPC work :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget OLPC work :-)</p>
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