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		<title>By: Mike Linksvayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Linksvayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are several parts to this:

* I assume most practitioners of religion are on the &quot;less&quot; side of belief, whatever they profess. The extreme version of this would be &quot;there are no theists outside a foxhole.&quot;

* I assume that the universes painted by different religions are not equally nice. There are substantial choices to be made.

* I&#039;m not interested in the masses who accept default choices, eg the person who stays in their hometown, but the [wanna be] rationalist.

By the way, &quot;all religions are true&quot; could be simplified away -- you get to chose the universe you are born into, ie one in which the religion of your choice is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several parts to this:</p>
<p>* I assume most practitioners of religion are on the &#8220;less&#8221; side of belief, whatever they profess. The extreme version of this would be &#8220;there are no theists outside a foxhole.&#8221;</p>
<p>* I assume that the universes painted by different religions are not equally nice. There are substantial choices to be made.</p>
<p>* I&#8217;m not interested in the masses who accept default choices, eg the person who stays in their hometown, but the [wanna be] rationalist.</p>
<p>By the way, &#8220;all religions are true&#8221; could be simplified away &#8212; you get to chose the universe you are born into, ie one in which the religion of your choice is true.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the &quot;what if&quot; makes it much different. We have to assume that most practitioners of a religion believe it, more or less. So the status quo ante is, &quot;whoever is religious believes their religion is true&quot;. Your thought experiment adds, &quot;what if all other religions are equally true?&quot;. If you already thought your religion was true, and you&#039;re already part of that community of practice, even if it turns out the others are true too, why jump ship? 

It seems like saying, &quot;The town a few miles away is as nice as this one, why don&#039;t you live there?&quot; To which anyone would respond, &quot;If it&#039;s just as nice as this one, why move?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the &#8220;what if&#8221; makes it much different. We have to assume that most practitioners of a religion believe it, more or less. So the status quo ante is, &#8220;whoever is religious believes their religion is true&#8221;. Your thought experiment adds, &#8220;what if all other religions are equally true?&#8221;. If you already thought your religion was true, and you&#8217;re already part of that community of practice, even if it turns out the others are true too, why jump ship? </p>
<p>It seems like saying, &#8220;The town a few miles away is as nice as this one, why don&#8217;t you live there?&#8221; To which anyone would respond, &#8220;If it&#8217;s just as nice as this one, why move?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Linksvayer</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2009/12/26/howto-religion/#comment-100583</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Linksvayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gavin,

I think you also missed &quot;What if...&quot; Re-read that paragraph.

Now if you thatought the question was what a rationalist should consider sans that thought experiment, I would say completely ignore religions&#039; systems of ridiculous falsehoods, I mean beliefs, only evaluate their practicies and community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gavin,</p>
<p>I think you also missed &#8220;What if&#8230;&#8221; Re-read that paragraph.</p>
<p>Now if you thatought the question was what a rationalist should consider sans that thought experiment, I would say completely ignore religions&#8217; systems of ridiculous falsehoods, I mean beliefs, only evaluate their practicies and community.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Baker</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2009/12/26/howto-religion/#comment-100582</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an interesting question, but if you&#039;re actually interested in answering it, you can&#039;t exclude social and cultural factors.

Religion has always been a means of identifying with an in-group. Judaism and Hinduism, for instance, are pretty explicit about this: this is a religion for &lt;em&gt;our people&lt;/em&gt;. (Not to say there haven&#039;t been evangelist Jews, but they&#039;re the exception rather than the rule.)

Even for religions that want everybody to get in their boat, like Islam and Christianity, religion is a major part of self-identity for many believers -- often down to the particular sect or ideology. A Jesus fish on the bumper sticker is much more about &quot;this is who I am&quot; than &quot;this is who you should be&quot; (whether the car&#039;s owner thinks so or not).

Religion is still one of the major factors in determining &quot;nations&quot; of people. Nowadays, we&#039;re more likely to consider ethnic and linguistic aspects, but that doesn&#039;t mean religion isn&#039;t significant (and historically it was certainly seen as a bigger factor than today).

So your question of how to &quot;rationally&quot; choose a religion only makes sense if religion is merely a system of &lt;em&gt;beliefs&lt;/em&gt;. In fact, religion is always also a system of &lt;em&gt;practices&lt;/em&gt;, ranging from relatively internal practices (self-identification) to obviously external ones (communal worship and celebrations). Participating in those practices can provide very tangible benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting question, but if you&#8217;re actually interested in answering it, you can&#8217;t exclude social and cultural factors.</p>
<p>Religion has always been a means of identifying with an in-group. Judaism and Hinduism, for instance, are pretty explicit about this: this is a religion for <em>our people</em>. (Not to say there haven&#8217;t been evangelist Jews, but they&#8217;re the exception rather than the rule.)</p>
<p>Even for religions that want everybody to get in their boat, like Islam and Christianity, religion is a major part of self-identity for many believers &#8212; often down to the particular sect or ideology. A Jesus fish on the bumper sticker is much more about &#8220;this is who I am&#8221; than &#8220;this is who you should be&#8221; (whether the car&#8217;s owner thinks so or not).</p>
<p>Religion is still one of the major factors in determining &#8220;nations&#8221; of people. Nowadays, we&#8217;re more likely to consider ethnic and linguistic aspects, but that doesn&#8217;t mean religion isn&#8217;t significant (and historically it was certainly seen as a bigger factor than today).</p>
<p>So your question of how to &#8220;rationally&#8221; choose a religion only makes sense if religion is merely a system of <em>beliefs</em>. In fact, religion is always also a system of <em>practices</em>, ranging from relatively internal practices (self-identification) to obviously external ones (communal worship and celebrations). Participating in those practices can provide very tangible benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Linksvayer</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2009/12/26/howto-religion/#comment-100573</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Linksvayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarven, that&#039;s a fine essay. I find nothing to disagree with. Note the &quot;What if...&quot; above.

No god offers nothing. All any god has to do to beat no god is offer some net benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarven, that&#8217;s a fine essay. I find nothing to disagree with. Note the &#8220;What if&#8230;&#8221; above.</p>
<p>No god offers nothing. All any god has to do to beat no god is offer some net benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarven Capadisli</title>
		<link>http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2009/12/26/howto-religion/#comment-100572</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarven Capadisli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beat atheism, how?

IMO, choosing a religion is a lot like accepting axioms in any other system. I wrote more on that here: http://csarven.ca/systems-and-choices , if you&#039;d like to give it a read. I think, at the end of the day, it is more or less a pragmatic decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beat atheism, how?</p>
<p>IMO, choosing a religion is a lot like accepting axioms in any other system. I wrote more on that here: <a href="http://csarven.ca/systems-and-choices" rel="nofollow">http://csarven.ca/systems-and-choices</a> , if you&#8217;d like to give it a read. I think, at the end of the day, it is more or less a pragmatic decision.</p>
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